Saturday, 3rd December 2005: S.H.A.R.P. Fest 2005 @ Paul’s Place

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  1. SANGSARARECORDS says:

    FROM ALEX (outcryrec@mail.ru)
    Timur Kacharava

    21.08.1985 – 13.11.2005

    Timur was an active member of St. Petersburg’s hardcore punk and
    anarchist community, and our dear friend. On the evening of November 13,
    Timur became the victim of a nazi attack. After a Food Not Bombs action on
    Vladimirskaya square Timur and a few other kids went to a Bukvoyed
    bookshop on Ligovsky prospect. Around 7 p.m. he and his friend Max “Zgibov”
    Zgibai were smoking outside when they were attacked by a group of 8 to
    10 nazis. Timur suffered multiple stab wounds in the neck. Zgibov is in
    the hospital in a stable condition with five stab wounds.

    The ambulance arrived in about ten minutes. By then Timur was dead due
    to heavy blood loss. Zgibov was taken to the Mariinsky Hospital. The
    police are investigating the incident; they have some suspects. There’s a
    graffiti on the wall next to the place where Timur was murdered, and
    there are candles, pictures, and flowers his friends placed as a tribute.

    Timur was a founding member of the St. Petersburg political hardcore
    punk band Sandinista! which formed in 2003. He was the musical leader,
    writing most of the music and playing lead guitar. The band’s debut s/t
    MCD is to be released on Moscow’s Old Skool Kids Records; the same label
    released a DVD of Old Skool Kids Fest in September 2004 which features
    several songs by Sandinista! In the Summer of 2005 Timur also joined
    the local d-beat hardcore band Distress. He returned to St. Petersburg
    from a Scandinavian tour with Distress just a few days before being
    murdered.

    Timur took an active part in the anarchist activities in the city, such
    as Food Not Bombs group and Epitsentr infoshop. He was also active in
    day-to-day confrontation with nazis in the streets. He was a fourth year
    student of philosophy in St. Petersburg State University, and a
    committed vegan.

    Zgibov was Timur’s bandmate in Sandinista! in 2004-2005. Before that
    Zgibov played bass in hardcore punk band Svinokop and also is a singer
    and bassist in grind band Potom Budet Pozdno, along with running his own
    tape label Ni Esperas.

    For U.S. readers: Timur is seen on the Out Cold live in St. Petersburg
    DVD dancing, and his voice saying “Old school hardcore isn’t about
    windmills, dude” is in fact heard as the intro to the film.

    Timur will be loved and remembered by everyone who knew him. He is
    especially missed by his parents and girlfriend Lyubava.

    Sandinista! website:
    http://www.myspace.com/sandinistaxspbhc

  2. thanks for that, Shammir.

    As you readers may have known, I’m very cautious about “promoting” skinhead shows in Ricecooker, and I’ve never done so before. but this one sounds right to me, even though I don’t know what are the individual “politics” of the many bands involved in the show. I mean, putting on an anti-racist banner is pretty easy but what about the actual content? I just hope that it’s not just another convenient label without much real substance to it, but only time will tell. I will try to attend the show and see for myself.

  3. SANGSARARECORDS says:

    hey joe, do you have recieved my email regard C.D things ?
    i need your feedback and so on..

    someone told me that when devil dolls played the show, there was a few punks on the stage and in the gigs place’s wear a swastika .. i can’t judge anything cause i don’t see by myself, and i never watch devil dolls playing and don’t have any attention to doing it.
    so, please someone tell me the stories?

    BUT if this truth !! its a totally fucking weak !! and its happen in same gigs with bands that have a strong political idea and words.. its a parasites, but sometime people just need more time to realize, but for me, its an ignorance !!!

    FUCK NAZI SYMPATHY

  4. zaxxtypeface says:

    Hi there Shammir,
    I agree with you. Devil Dolls look alike a JOKE that has been accepted in the scene nowadays. As I see numerous events (in its flyers no more no less!) had been inviting them to play. I’m also aware about the ‘overly fashionistas’ exhibiting Swastika’s on their jackets, shirts, pants brought by Devil Dolls’ crowds. Which is pathetic. To quote what you’ve said, “i never watch devil dolls playing and don‚Äôt have any attention to doing it”. Yeah, I do have the same idea with you & still in the same league of “FUCK NAZI SYMPATHY” thingies. It’s likely many of us has been ‘tolerating’ (by any means) with the case since the day one; this is 2005 pal… those orthodox racism thingies can’t be tolerate no more. How come this ex-Hellsister became like this one. Oh yes, people change. I shouldn’t expect anything. That’s the lesson I guess… definitely. End talk. Take care.

  5. With much respect for you both, I have to say…

    I’ve seen Devil Dolls played a couple of times and even talked to Colyn (the singer), many times, even when she was with Hell Sister and what you are suggesting is WRONG!

    She’s no Neo-Nazi nor racist! Much less a Nazi-symphatiser! I have even read her interview in a very moronic “Northern Riot” zine and she appeared to be a very smart person that’s against all the Nazi bullshit, asking the kids to think and read instead of just “follow”.

    I have to say I don’t know her very well, and less still her band members, nor do I know of her past, but I have never heard her spouting racist remarks, in fact what she always stressed upon when she’s on stage was about personal empowerment, especially “girl power” and gender emancipation. To those who doesn’t know it, Colyn and her bassist are both students at the UIA. Colyn is actually taking up law.

    Of course, the crowd that went to Devil Dolls shows are more of the “street/chaos punk” fraternity, some of which are boneheads and “neo-nazis” with swastikas and all that, and there’s no way a band can control who can come to their show. Just remember when The Bollocks played, the same people all went to see the band. Its the same thing. That doesn’t mean The Bollocks was a Neo-Nazi band or Nazi-symphatisers!!

    Those Neo-Nazis who went to see these bands were mostly there because of the fashion (you have to remember that The Bollocks used to look like one of the street-punks themselves) and also the music (trad basic street-punk or UK82), but these bands have a lot opportunity to address these boneheads, and they said it through their songs and their stage banter. That is more pro-active than “kutuk-ing” them from afar!

    I sincerely believe more good, politically-driven bands should play to all these boneheads, but what we see nowadays, bands that have a lot of things to say about racism, sexism and fascism are just playing to the same people who already subscribed to the same ideas. This is why I think bands such as Devil Dolls are important. They played anywhere, any show, to anyone and they have more things to say than the average bands out there. Whether it is effective or not, that’s another matter. To quote a band name, “at least they speak!”

    When you said, “i never watch devil dolls playing and don‚Äôt have any attention (intention) to doing it”; it only say that you are NOT willing to find out for yourself. This is the problem in the scene. We are not willing to find out for ourselves. So we only take “rumours” and “accusations” from other people and made up our minds about things. So everything is based on “hearsay”.

    What is the problem of meeting these people yourself and talk to them, or go to their shows and see for yourselves. I would rather rely on my own eyes, ears and brains to make decisions, not from other people. We learn from our personal experiences, not from some other people. What shape us is ourselves and our own openness to check things out by ourselves.

    Anyway, all these so called “Neo-Nazis” are just fashion casualties; street-punks who just don’t know any better. Too stupid to see anything beyond fashion and sheep-mentality. I mean, it’s no different from the average hardcore/punk kids out there. Most of the time, it’s the “FORM” that they subscribed to, not the actual “FUNCTION”. This is the same everywhere. Fastcore kids subscribe to “fastcore” fashion, “straight-edge” kids subscribes to “straightedge” fashion, and it goes on from emo to grind to crust, etc. It’s all about subscribing to the many versions of trends and fashions! Is that what is “punk” nowadays?

    Even in this ricecooker pages, nobody wants to speak up their minds openly. Nobody tries to stand up with their own ideas. Just look at the comments on the upcoming Vitamin X show and its “controversy”, nobody from the organisers’ camp come up with REAL explanations and arguments!!! And most of the people who talk on these comments are hiding their identities! Some are using different names but actually the same person! And I know this because I can check who are posting. And so, the question remains: why?

    If you really care about these “neo-nazis”, why don’t you talk to them instead of shutting them off from your view? Approach them and say what you think. I think that’s better than laughing at them behind their backs. There are ways to meet these people and have a civilised conversation instead of inviting fist-fights.

    This is the tragedy of our scene. We have many excellent bands in the scene, which are awesome in their social-political ideas, they have a lot of things to say BUT who are they addressing these ideas to? And why, why, why do we always rely on “what people say”? Why can’t we make up our own minds? We all have brains, and we all have “common-sense”, and we all have capabilities to find out things for ourselves. why are we not using that?

  6. By the way, Devil Dolls have just split-up. Now they are just a trio with a new name, BLUNT. I haven’t seen this new band but to those who wanna check them out, go to:

    AWESTRUCK
    Date: 10th December Saturday night
    Time: 8.30 pm
    Place: Jam Asia Rock Station, 19-1, Jalan 22A/70A, Desa Sri Hartamas, Kuala Lumpur
    Bands: 13 Tribes, Blunt (formerly Devildolls), Duke, Etc, Ferns, Sheen, Soft Touch, Xcited Screamers
    Price: RM15 inclusive of free drink
    Free: First 30 paying dudes receive free copy of Soft Touch full album
    Info: 0193688130, 03 20953045, lemang@tm.net.my

    All that said, I know that Colyn and Blunt are really into making it big in the music scene, so I don’t think they have the same “DIY” ideals such as you. Colyn and friends appeared in a Maxis commercial recently, and that says a lot about what’s important to them. To each his/her own, I say.

    Anyway, why don’t you ask her yourself? go here: email Colyn

  7. SANGSARARECORDS says:

    my words ” BUT if this truth !! its a totally fucking weak !! and its happen in same gigs with bands that have a strong political idea and words.. its a parasites, but sometime people just need more time to realize, but for me, its an ignorance !!! ”

    what i try to addressed it here, why those organiser could let those nazi punk kids entered the gigs wearing swastika? don’t tell me … they have money and pay a ticket prize and they have a rights to wear what ever they like such as swastika … or its OK to wear swastika cos its just another fucking fashion and its not going to harm people , bla bla bla and those kids just another fashion victim.
    why don’t the organiser confront those kids inside and outside the door,etc

    if this band is important to play to bonehead, because they have a message, are they explain any anti racist statement on the stage, and explain to the crowds and are there other bands that play in same gigs come out with anti racist statement on the stage, bla bla , cos i’m not at that gigs.. i need someone to tell me !! thats what people called information , not gossip.. it same when alots of people tell this guys is a rip off, do you want to wait until you being rip off ? then you start to realize and admit this guy is a rip off. you need to get information, right !!

    as your words stated ” putting on an anti-racist banner is pretty easy but what about the actual content?”

    for me, everyone could talk or shout about anti racist , but how they act !!!

    WHY ? tell me why ??? its not about either devil dolls is the band have racist idea or not, if they’re have those idea, its another stories !! and i’m not going to ask them are they’re racist or not, cos as you told they’re not. but what i want to know and ask and discuss …

    and why the bands that have political idea could playing in the same gigs with a few punk kids wear swastika.. how we could educate them? if we just let them doing wrong in front of your eyes …

    as i told before , i can’t judge by myself ? and i don’t jump to conclusion …
    thats is the problem for me? i always get wrong answer for the question ???
    i try to bring this fucking ricecooker forum as a discussion place nor another gossip or backstabbing forum, i need a feedback..

  8. SANGSARARECORDS says:

    by the way : i just want to know whether it is truth what i heard that there was a few punks on the stage and in the gigs place’s wear a swastika while devil dolls playing the show.

    that is the question .. i need an answer !! YES OR NO !!

    the conclusion : how come the bands that have political idea could played in same gigs while there was a few punks on the stage and in the gigs place’s wear a swastika ?

    future question …
    whether those so political bands have come out with anti racist statement on the stage while they playing ? YES OR NO . if no .. its a fucking weak !!!

    yes, i’m totally agreed the band can’t control the crowds, how about the organiser ? how about other bands and other crowds ? did the bands told the crowds, the bollocks do stop playing cos the crowds into the fight, thats is the action that the bands could do, if not .. its not more than just another music , just another lyrics and if your band playing around the world and to different group of people, but never show your action and it mean no different. if devil dolls really into against racism, also to other bands, they could ask the crowds to take out the swastika and tell them why ? if not they could leave the show, or the bands wouldn’t play.. that what people called the action. lets the action have a meaning not just another words or another slogan.

    example : if C.D playing to non DIY crowds , to you all try to deliver the message about DIY music scene, how its about, bla bla ? so the crowds will get clear message about DIY music scene, if not, what point playing to bigger scale or different group. its just a same.
    Mamak jual surat khabar could be more political than punk kids in malaysia, no doubt about that…
    mainstream bands have political lyrics as well punk bands..
    i don’t like to see a bigger scale cos the problem that surround punk rock scene is more concern to me, there always a problem but no solution ..

    i just want that information ? and i need feedback

    hey joe, i already know that the best way to go and confront them face to face rather talk on their back, BUT i need the information first !! on the first place, thats why i do ask ??

    you should not know the fashion could be became the hatred..
    yes, we couldn’t change it if they wouldn’t take one step further to change, at least we try and do act !!

    I THINK BETTER I JUST STOP ASK

  9. Thanks Shammir! Lets have a good discussion here. I’m all fired up, so lets go! First I like to clarify the questions first, so we can be clear, so lets list out the statements:

    1st: “it same when alots of people tell this guys is a rip off, do you want to wait until you being rip off ? then you start to realize and admit this guy is a rip off. you need to get information, right !!”

    2nd: “as i told before , i can‚Äôt judge by myself ? and i don‚Äôt jump to conclusion ‚Ķthats is the problem for me? i always get wrong answer for the question ???”

    3rd: “hey joe, i already know that the best way to go and confront them face to face rather talk on their back, BUT i need the information first !! on the first place, thats why i do ask ??”

    okay, first of all apologies from me on that. You did the right thing by asking first. I may have jumped the gun a bit there. But what I said before stands; we have to be there, see with our own eyes, meet the people, have a conversation and see for ourselves to make a proper judgement on things. What we hear from other people are just indications, pointers but not to be taken as the whole truth, that’s what I’m trying to say.

    For a quite moronic example, a good friend told me that he saw “Batman Begins” recently and “it sucks,” he said. Then I went to watch it myself, and it rocks!! So what makes it different? My values and my friend’s values on what makes a good movie are different. My friend likes all the action and flash, while I just wanna see a bit of depth and drama in a hollywood movie. I may disagree with him but that doesn’t mean that he has to follow my taste!

    As for the “rip-offs”, that’s a bit different. The meaning of “rip-off” is very weird this days. Some kids would call you a rip-off if you don’t reply or late in replying their letters. For me, that’s not a rip-off, it’s just “lazy”! Some people would call you a rip-off for not saying “hi” to them when you bumped on the streets. For me it’s just “sombong”, or maybe “too busy”, and definitely NOT a “rip-off”!

    But I get your point in there. I do listen to my close friends though; people who I trust have good judgement. If they say such and such is a “rip-off”, I would question first, “why”, and if I want to relay that information to other people, I would always say, “hey, I’m not sure whether this is true or not, as I’ve never experienced it myself, but a friend of mine told me that that guy is a rip-off, because blah, blah, blah.” What that means, is to be “cautious”, a small warning, but I would also give it a bit of doubt too.

  10. 4th: “”what i try to addressed it here, why those organiser could let those nazi punk kids entered the gigs wearing swastika?”

    5th: “the conclusion : how come the bands that have political idea could played in same gigs while there was a few punks on the stage and in the gigs place‚Äôs wear a swastika ?”

    6th: “yes, i‚Äôm totally agreed the band can‚Äôt control the crowds, how about the organiser ? how about other bands and other crowds ?”

    You answered the questions yourself; “the band can‚Äôt control the crowds”. And as I can see it, there’s no organiser that practices the door policy of “no entry to anyone wearing swastikas”. I don’t even have that sort of policy. My gigs are open to anyone. First of all, because there usually no one who would wear Swastikas at my gigs. And if I see it, i would address it on the stage, but I would not kick them out, this is so they can hear what me or anyone on stage is trying to impart or say; and the topics may not just about racism; there are a lot of other stuff to address, for a start “where the fuck do you put your brains?”. Like I said, I never kicked them out, unless there is a commotion of sort, a fight or what not, but things like that has never happened ever.

    7th: “if devil dolls really into against racism, also to other bands, they could ask the crowds to take out the swastika and tell them why? if not they could leave the show, or the bands wouldn‚Äôt play… that what people called the action. lets the action have a meaning not just another words or another slogan.”

    Well, at the shows I’ve seen Devil Dolls played, I didn’t see kids with “swastikas”. maybe they were there in the crowd but I didn’t see them at all. Mostly there were street-punks with the mohawks and leather but no swastikas, no nazi slogans, none. I haven’t been to many shows by them so I can’t answer that question. But again, the band did stand up for the empowerment of women, against sexism and discrimination, and that’s not that far off from going against racism.

  11. 8th: “whether those so political bands have come out with anti racist statement on the stage while they playing ? YES OR NO . if no .. its a fucking weak !!!”

    That’s very rare isn’t it? Apart from that incident when that band from Penang who dedicated one anti-racist song to the neo-nazis many years ago at the old Backroom, and then the vocalist got punched by one guy, but nobody tried to help him or even go up onstage and say something. What’s the band name again? Cannot remember at the moment.

    Back in the mid-90s when there were many of them so called “neo-nazis”, my band talked about it on stage all the time, pointing out to them and said “you have brains this small”. After that there were 20 skins and street punks waiting for me with sticks and all. We can’t even go to JB those days without being threatened with violence. But we did it, and will keep on doing it if the need arises.

    There are many ways to put your stand across. For an example, the Italian leftist Oi! band Klasse Kriminale played in Belgium early this month and 30 “Blood and Honour” (further reading here) guys turned up. here’s what the band reported:

    “The only big problem with the tour was at Kontich (Belgium): the show was going along well, there was a large crowd, a lot of young punks, etc‚Ķ Right before we took the stage, we noticed people were leaving and we were informed that some Nazis had arrived. We soon realised that, in fact, 30 Blood & Honour were inside the club, at the bar. Not only that,¬† but the security was practically non-existent. Seeing as the crowd was made up of mainly kids, and after speaking with the club’s management, we decided that it was in the best interests of all involved for KLASSE KRIMINALE not to play.”

    So is it weak for Klasse Kriminale for NOT keep playing and say something on stage? Well, it’s up to you. On KK’s case, it’s either they leave the show or get their heads kicked in! Some people just don’t wanna get into the whole violent retaliation. Some people would just stop playing. Some would not even want to play when there are neo-nazi bands are playing on the same bill. People have their own reasons and ways to deal or not to deal with it and I can’t say whether what’s weak or not, but thumbs-up to those who did something to stand up against these boneheads.

  12. 9th: “if C.D playing to non DIY crowds, to (do) you all try to deliver the message about DIY music scene, how its about, bla bla ? so the crowds will get clear message about DIY music scene, if not, what point playing to bigger scale or different group. its just a same.”

    Tell you the truth I don’t like to “preach”, but what can we do when kids are just too blinded and ignorant to see things clearly, even when it sits right across their faces, and so, as much as we hate to be seen as “preaching”, my band had to resort to that many, many times. And so, yes, when we play out there in the more “un-DIY” gigs, which we really like to do most of the time nowadays, there will be more talk and explanation on stage on what each song stands for. And we would hang out with the new kids we met, and talk some more.

    Of course, it is not all just about DIY, there are far more things to address. After all, there’s more to life than just DIY and punk rock!! And also, it’s not all po-faced, solemn seriousness. There should be laughter and fun inserted in all that somewhere. But seriously, it can get pretty silly, especially with bands who take themselves too seriously.

    10th: “i don‚Äôt like to see a bigger scale cos the problem that surround punk rock scene is more concern to me, there always a problem but no solution ..”

    Well, that’s your choice. And I have nothing but respect to that. Me, I like to have my music, creativity, thoughts and ideas out there, open to the “public”, easily accessible to the “people”, and not confined to the just the “scene”. That’s my choice.

    I do that because I believe me and my friends and the things which we do, from the arts, to theatre. to poetry, to the writings, to short movies, to songs and music etc, are all for everyone to either enjoy or hate. The only thing we hope from it is that it would enrich a person’s life; to touch them, just like all these works of creativity and thoughts which have touched and later on influenced me. It’s not about money or fame. If I wanted all that, I’ll already be out there bugging you on my TV show sponsored by Celcom’s Prepaid and try hard to be the next UMNO Youth leader!

    No. This is, with all sincerity, an attempt to change things for the better. At the very least, culturally. And I believe the way to do that is to open it all up to the people. Not keep it within a tight confine of a few kids who are already sharing my ideals.

    As for “solutions”, no, I don’t have real solutions for anyone. I have yet to know of anyone who has the solution which I am looking for myself. But I can try injecting a few ideas into the pot, and see what happens. And as you can see I’ve been trying for so many years now, and will keep on keeping on.

    My problem with the “punk rock scene” is only that it’s getting too “insular” (i.e. ignorant of or uninterested in cultures, ideas, or peoples outside one’s own experience) and that is for me, a disease that has to stop. It’s no longer a healthy scene that strives to have its ideas out there, challenging the norms. Even musically, it doesn’t represent any sort of growth but only an endless circle of repetitions from the days of yore. The best band I heard this month, Montreal’s Ballast is just a mixture of early-80s peace-punk and bits of crust. I want to hear something more!

    But in the end, I love punk rock and I love the punk rock scene, and that is precisely why, I’m always seen here criticizing the scene. If I’m not into it, why should I bother?

  13. SANGSARARECORDS says:

    the band was the shocked.. the guy that hit the vocalist is mr papa of the expired (8by8 gigs)

    for your information, i was straight going on the stage (i was inside the room behind the stage) show my middle finger to them and shout !
    me and adik bollock chase them to outside of the fire disco and confront them, and things could get worst if that group of nazi punk didn’t went back or they start to touch me, the big fight will happen.
    cos at that time, there was a group of people behind of me that ready to fight back
    NO, i don’t think violence could be more worse than that but self defense is still on me.
    and i don’t to get in any fight and always try to avoid it…
    (its same when HC bands play in life center a years ago, black ACAB got beat by the bouncer and my shirt get torn – we do challenge them and it not stop like that, how the bouncer run a way after we want to fight back) thats was a old stories that i don’t want to put in the books anymore.

    BUT something that still refresh in my mind when the splatters (no doubt they have got a good music )playing in S & M a years ago, with sieg hail on the stage. i don’t heard other bands or people come out with anti racism statement on the stage…ya its just another dark ages to malaysia punk rock scene. just don’t want people keep repeat same mistake over and over again

    your words ” Anyway, all these so called ‚ÄúNeo-Nazis‚Äù are just fashion casualties; street-punks who just don‚Äôt know any better. Too stupid to see anything beyond fashion and sheep-mentality. I mean, it‚Äôs no different from the average hardcore/punk kids out there. Most of the time, it‚Äôs the ‚ÄúFORM‚Äù that they subscribed to, not the actual ‚ÄúFUNCTION‚Äù. This is the same everywhere. Fastcore kids subscribe to ‚Äúfastcore‚Äù fashion, ‚Äústraight-edge‚Äù kids subscribes to ‚Äústraightedge‚Äù fashion, and it goes on from emo to grind to crust, etc. It‚Äôs all about subscribing to the many versions of trends and fashions! Is that what is ‚Äúpunk‚Äù nowadays? ”

    trend and fashion happen in punk scene since day one, i have no doubt about it !!
    people consume certain label and image, just look at me and you,
    but those fashion is much much better compared to nazi punk,
    nazi punk is just another symbol of hatred and violence where i see its another separate issue.
    straight edge could be little bit too restricted but it ok, and i’m totally against militant vegan
    for me, violence still not the answer.
    you could see it as the fashion or trend, but if those fashion and trend convert to their daily life
    it could be the way of life, punk is about the way of life … how you think, idealistic and culture.
    what you wear is a part of your life. a part of the culture.. you might say it as sort of uniform,
    wearing band t-shirt is good things to do, you buy your shirt from the distro,bands,etc and in other hand you help the bands and distro financially to keep move on their fund. by the way, we need shirt to wear daily right.. fashion and trend could be a part of your life either you realize or not .. it still important, things could be worst when people blindly follow any sort of fashion and trend, and abuse it and based on my experience the end result is people sign on their pension scheme (ha ha ha ha ha)

    for me, quantiity is better when it parallel with quality. i have played in front of a thousand people before but i rather played in front of 13 people. yes we still want to see more people come to gigs and support the bands, buying stuffs .but for me, gigs seem not interested anymore, why ?for me. its a result too many gigs with too many same bands , and bands don’t have a material. any bands could play any gigs or you could organise the gigs and put your bands on the list. it didn’t help any progress of the scene. not much we could offer anymore. another weekend another gigs things, thats why i always try to reduce my visit to gigs. to avoid same old shit. what your words about this ?
    for me, gigs is important thing same like release the stuffs. but we must think about the value of the money that people spend, but people could said you could waste your money on beer but why ? you don’t want to throw your hard earned money to pay door price, cos beer never failed me but gigs, yes its always failed me alots. but when come to buying stuffs, i still keep throw money to distro,etc
    just there was too little of local bands releases.. and keep me wondering how about the bands that playing gigs with original tune, are they don’t want to documented it on release, for your information
    i always offer to local bands to record and willing to release them, but to be truth.. the answer always being no time to record and no money to record. so, what point to have the bands but you don’t want to documented it.. or maybe its not cool to release under local label. rather compared to oversea label. until now, we don’t see any good compilation release by local bands. i try to make local compilation but after so many years it still failed, but i still keep work on it. who know ? i have a luck on it, and its really shame on me, where i could promote oversea bands all over the world but i can’t doing it to local bands, not because i don’t want, but the bands. its just happen to mass separation when we release a split CD with unholy grave, people don’t know about mass separation at that time, and unholy grave isn’t so popular like today and until now people keep asking about it, i try to re issue back the CD next year.

    BY THE WAY : I STILL WAIT FOR YOUR FEEDBACK REGARD C.D THING ?

    currently on my ear :
    SAINT BUSHMILL’S CHOIR , a irish folk stuffs feel like became a cowboy and drink wiski
    WITCH HUNT – listen to it more more and love it more and more
    STANDFAST – phillippine peace punk bands mixed between CRASS and DETESTATION

    BUSHMEN – still make me want to dance
    CAT POWER – fall in love. (need to get the LP and 7ep soon)

    TOXIC HOLOCAUST – listen to this band, it same feeling like i was still in school uniform in 87 first time listen to KREATOR and SLAYER and BROKEN BONES. fast thrash discharge influence + 80’s swedish HC = RIGOR MORTIS , great solo…

  14. SANGSARARECORDS says:

    by the way, i don’t have more time in cyber world and feel stuck on it, isn’t beauty as the real world.
    one these day, i’ll pay a visit .. beer or coffee ? there was alots of thing that i need to talk to you..

  15. zaxxtypeface says:

    Nice views from both of you & much respect,
    Like I said, “It‚Äôs likely many of us has been ‚Äòtolerating‚Äô (by any means) with the case since the day one”. I pointed this one based on my very own experience. Back in 2000/01, my band ‘Injustice System Acceptance’ being invited to play in one gig that inlcuded with a band from JB Riot’s crowds. We refused to play & started to talk about anti-racism, anti-fascism, anti-violence, anti-nationalisme, anti-nazism & so on according to that gig. I did talked with the organizer & the end result of this; we’ve been accused by being elitist & choosy to play with certain crowds. What the…? And the most ironic things are we’ve been threatened to death by some of the organizers’ friend & sadly by one of the orginzers themself. Sad but true. We still decided to play, but sadly our lead guitarist (he’s now playing with AngkasawanegarA & last time with Westoned) had an accident, he broke his arm that couldn’t let him to play. Coz’ of that we decided not to play. Along with this, we still came up & spread some leaflets (anti-racism, anti-fascism, anti-violence, anti-nationalisme, anti-nazism etc) to the crowds… even to the fierce looking bonehead! Some of ’em did knew us & started to staring us. You named it from an umbrella (yeah, those so-called mods), full metal studded jacket, those steel toes to a nice sharp shinning knife they started to showed us. And we’re totally disarmed at that time! Haha. Slowly, we take a closer look from a door’s venue… hell, there are loads more bonehead/skinheads in the venue. We need to see the organizers, but we failed according to the hectic crowds that day. We decided to take a leave from the venue & sat at the staircase somewhere at the venue. We didn’t see any of ‘my clans’ (anarchos-politicos-peacepunk-crusties-hardcore-punk-grind fellas) been there, as we heard before that gig, they’ve said about backing us up if anything could possibly happens. Nah… shit ass! None! I only saw some of ’em sat next to the LRT’s escalator staircase. You see here? We’re actually lack of support (even maybe self-realization) about this matter. Yes, a REAL fight back by any means of self defense is what we REALLY need. We’ve been lacking of courageous support from the persons whom shared the same ideas from the day one. Are we still eagerly spouting words of NO RACIAL PREJUDICE, FREEDOM & NO VIOLENCE while their hard steel toes keep kissing our faces? Yerp, tolerate no more. Don’t let ’em get into our venue… let ’em say it’s a private party of elitists or something. Show ’em lesson. They’re not cool to enter our party by brought in the symbols of hatred like SWASTIKAS, NATIONAL FLAG, SS etc. There should be restrictions for an ignorance, as we’ve been tolerating with the same cases since the day one. Don’t let ’em in… tell ’em the ‘RIGHT’ thing about racial prejudice outside the venue. Tell ’em to take off their symbols of hatred. We can do it with a REAL ‘head to toe’ support. Yes, it sounds corny. It’s hell truth. And still this is not the ONLY solution… I just giving out one of my suggestions. Thank you. Anyway… I’m also do think many boneheads here in this holy land of MALAYsia-sia are just ignorance people. Who take its idealism (Nazi) to fulfil their youth-phase. Remember, we’re still dealing with PEOPLE… & PEOPLE DO CHANGE! Thank you.

  16. SANGSARARECORDS says:

    zaki : please do email me : sangsara_recs@yahoo.com
    i want to talk more about your band ? have you release anything yet ?

  17. zaxxtypeface says:

    ‘I.S.A’ do have a demo & a split cassette release with Japanese rock/crust/punk GUN SOKU (a project band of IGNORANCE; Japanese hc/thrashpunk) back in 2000. I’ll check & give it to you when I see you. I’ll email you later soon. Thanks for asking about my now defunct band.

  18. SANGSARARECORDS says:

    actually, i would like to ask about Nuisance Drilled ? cause its very rare to find band in malaysia that into heavy and slow stuffs like neurosis, abc diabolo,counterblast,etc .it sound interested.
    by the way, if you have extra copies of ISA old stuffs, do pass to me. tell me if you want anything in return. please email me, cos i wouldn’t be too long in the forum.

  19. zaxxtypeface says:

    Oh… ok. Thanks for your interest. We’ll talk about it later in email. Thank you.

  20. BoyDxF says:

    “there‚Äôs no way a band can control who can come to their show. Just remember when The Bollocks played, the same people all went to see the band. Its the same thing. That doesn‚Äôt mean The Bollocks was a Neo-Nazi band or Nazi-symphatisers!!”

    This topic came up to my mind and reminds me the heydays/ salad days of local scene. yes i agree that a band can’t control the crowd…who is? Well this is what i’ve told to an organizer back then in Ipoh. I’ve told them that our band will cancell playing the show if he and his crew allow people with nazi pacthes or nazi punks crew enter the show and hell yes we did.. we cancell the show. That was back then in 1996 or 97. Probably the last show we ever played in Ipoh before the show in Fire in 1997 / 98 with The Bollocks and all.

    I was back off the stage as well when papa hit the vocalist of Penang anarcho band when he sang “Nazi Punk menyangkak” or sumthing like . Myself and my girlfriend (now my wife) were very pissed off when papa hit him. Luckily some people chase them away out of the venue. I still remember what papa said to him before he hit him “aku tak ganggu ko dan ko jgn ganggu aku” and them bom!!!

    Is there any solution of this? i mean how do we avoid from nazi to come to a show? Can we just ignore them when they trying to buy the tickets or just put a big sign says ” No nazis allow!!!” right in front of the gig door or flyers? What if they act violence and riot when we try to do that? ideas and comments please…

  21. zaxxtypeface says:

    That was ‘Shocked’ tragedy… and the lyrics goes like this; “Neo Nazi Menyangkak, Neo Nazi Fuck Off!” sang repeatedly. Yes, that was a long story back then. Right after Shocked played the show, I did talked with Zam Porno (their guitarist), as he’s my senior in UiTM at that time. He told me all the stories. Yet, funny… they decided not to continue the song (as I remember from what he told). Ironic but truth! The weakness has revealed.

  22. BoyDxF says:

    Thanx for the heal ups Zaxx… ok Shammir and Joe..the reason why Devill Dolls have nazi followers is becoz of this.. just check them out after i read your post here..

    go to this link below:(copy at paste them at the adress url search)
    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=5180158&Mytoken=14cb3edd-4567-481a-b190-d3768a4cc61b
    (Ayed profile – boyfriend of Colyn)

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=35507448&Mytoken=f29c3c7d-5823-4ee5-9d7c-5f7fc33aa362 (Papa profile)

    It seems that most of Devil dolls profile have papa in their member list..also their boy friend…is papa still a nazi or what? People change offcourse but is he really change after many years of being poseur nazi and malay power? I think this is one of the reason why they have nazi followers..just a guess..

  23. zaxxtypeface says:

    “is papa still a nazi or what?”.

    Hmm… as been told by Papa himself back in 2001/2002 (I guess, as I don’t exactly remember the date) few months right after he came back from UK/London, he did claimed that he’s no longer Nazi or believe in any racism thingies. As far as I’ve concerned, yes it is. But, it has been a long time I didn’t meet him… thus I don’t know what’s his stance according the matters all these while. Thank you.

  24. BoyDxF says:

    same thing that he told some of our friends back in CM in 1997/98 when he get back from Aussie or where..entah (jumpa girlfiend ke apa entah)..dia kata dia bukan nazi dah…dia baru sedar berapa racistnya skinhead punk nazi di sana….but then belasah gak vocalist Shocked masa tu…tu yang mushkil tu…but offcourse i do believe people can change la….if apa yang dia kata tu betul..then kita lihat nanti…

  25. XULL GRIMLUST says:

    FUCK NAZI SYMPATHY! AT ANY CAUSE. SLUDGEKORE FOREVER!!! need cheap booze fly over to langkawi. greeting to all SANGSARA SHITWORKER!

  26. XULL GRIMLUST says:

    BOY DxF I NEED YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS .URGENT!

  27. Just got back from hanging out with Sood of Roots & Boots (hours talking about consciousness, conscience and the attainment of “real” knowledge, etc., heavy, heavy, deep, deep thoughts there) and he told me that there were around 300 kids at this show, so it’s another successful one, in terms of attendance lah. I guess the long school holidays helps.

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